Comments for WAR! to be in conflict with life? http://zod1703.edublogs.org not your father's war blog site Wed, 30 Apr 2008 06:20:31 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.2 hourly 1 Comment on WAR BONDS by ships that were sunk at pearl harbor http://zod1703.edublogs.org/2008/04/12/war-bonds/comment-page-1/#comment-14 ships that were sunk at pearl harbor Wed, 30 Apr 2008 06:20:31 +0000 http://zod1703.edublogs.org/2008/04/12/war-bonds/#comment-14 [...] do not mean the battles won or lost, or the defeat of an enemy. I speak of friendship the bond thathttp://zod1703.edublogs.org/2008/04/12/war-bonds/Military.com ResourcesEventually, all but three of the ships sunk or damaged at pearl harbor were [...] [...] do not mean the battles won or lost, or the defeat of an enemy. I speak of friendship the bond thathttp://zod1703.edublogs.org/2008/04/12/war-bonds/Military.com ResourcesEventually, all but three of the ships sunk or damaged at pearl harbor were [...]

]]> Comment on WAR BONDS by ortizjo http://zod1703.edublogs.org/2008/04/12/war-bonds/comment-page-1/#comment-13 ortizjo Fri, 18 Apr 2008 22:49:59 +0000 http://zod1703.edublogs.org/2008/04/12/war-bonds/#comment-13 In war, I think that friendships are a bad idea. It's interesting to put the word "positive" and "war" in the same sentence. Bonds are fine in life, but, really, they serve no purpose in war. I don't want to sound cold-hearted, I'm just trying to be practical. If bonds are made between soldiers and one of them gets blown up, then the other is gonna go through that whole "mental anguish" thing. Having team members is one thing, but having "bonds" with people is another. I think that in times of war and battle, a soldier must only have their mission, and their bravery. If bonds are to be made, then it should be after the fact, and not during. In war, I think that friendships are a bad idea. It’s interesting to put the word “positive” and “war” in the same sentence. Bonds are fine in life, but, really, they serve no purpose in war. I don’t want to sound cold-hearted, I’m just trying to be practical. If bonds are made between soldiers and one of them gets blown up, then the other is gonna go through that whole “mental anguish” thing. Having team members is one thing, but having “bonds” with people is another. I think that in times of war and battle, a soldier must only have their mission, and their bravery. If bonds are to be made, then it should be after the fact, and not during.

]]> Comment on From Genocide to Holocaust by The Comments of War (class) | "Peace is the virtue of civilization. War is its crime." http://zod1703.edublogs.org/2008/02/25/from-genocide-to-holocaust/comment-page-1/#comment-12 The Comments of War (class) | "Peace is the virtue of civilization. War is its crime." Thu, 17 Apr 2008 03:43:48 +0000 http://zod1703.edublogs.org/2008/02/25/from-genocide-to-holocaust/#comment-12 [...] http://zod1703.edublogs.org/2008/02/25/from-genocide-to-holocaust/#comment-11 [...] [...] http://zod1703.edublogs.org/2008/02/25/from-genocide-to-holocaust/#comment-11 [...]

]]> Comment on From Genocide to Holocaust by rooyj http://zod1703.edublogs.org/2008/02/25/from-genocide-to-holocaust/comment-page-1/#comment-11 rooyj Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:21:50 +0000 http://zod1703.edublogs.org/2008/02/25/from-genocide-to-holocaust/#comment-11 I don't necessarily know if things have to be documented in order for it to touch people. I mean, yes it helps get the word out to millions of people around the world, but anytime 6 million people just disappear, someone somewhere is going to notice. I think just the act of genocide is enough to touch the humanity in all people, whether there are stories about it or not. At least i HOPE humanity is that decent....if not, we're in for a load of trouble..... I don’t necessarily know if things have to be documented in order for it to touch people. I mean, yes it helps get the word out to millions of people around the world, but anytime 6 million people just disappear, someone somewhere is going to notice. I think just the act of genocide is enough to touch the humanity in all people, whether there are stories about it or not.

At least i HOPE humanity is that decent….if not, we’re in for a load of trouble…..

]]> Comment on Title Deserved by Comments Post | Machiavelli Owns A Machine Gun Now http://zod1703.edublogs.org/2008/03/14/title-deserved/comment-page-1/#comment-10 Comments Post | Machiavelli Owns A Machine Gun Now Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:09:23 +0000 http://zod1703.edublogs.org/2008/03/14/title-deserved/#comment-10 [...] Title Deserved — by Michael [...] [...] Title Deserved — by Michael [...]

]]> Comment on WAR BONDS by ullreyg http://zod1703.edublogs.org/2008/04/12/war-bonds/comment-page-1/#comment-9 ullreyg Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:45:44 +0000 http://zod1703.edublogs.org/2008/04/12/war-bonds/#comment-9 In his fictional journal The Things They Carried Tim O’Brien shows just how these bonds are forged and some are lost in a physical since, but the emotions and memories are with you for the duration. This may sound weird, but in a way I'm jealous. I wish I could have an deep connection with a group of people that would be timeless. Here at school, when you meet someone it's usually in class. You may click, talk through the class, be in groups together or whatever, but when the semester ends, the friendship does too. It's a big jump from classmates to real friends that takes a lot of time and you have to put a lot of effort in to it to make it work. But I'm selfish enough not to want to go to war to make those kind of bonds. There aren't too many situations where you get thrown into that you have to instantly trust the people around you and protect people you don't know. Honestly, I think I could mentally handle being away from everyone I know and everything I love to do the same boring thing, day after day, it's the boot camp that would do me in. In his fictional journal The Things They Carried Tim O’Brien shows just how these bonds are forged and some are lost in a physical since, but the emotions and memories are with you for the duration.

This may sound weird, but in a way I’m jealous. I wish I could have an deep connection with a group of people that would be timeless. Here at school, when you meet someone it’s usually in class. You may click, talk through the class, be in groups together or whatever, but when the semester ends, the friendship does too. It’s a big jump from classmates to real friends that takes a lot of time and you have to put a lot of effort in to it to make it work.
But I’m selfish enough not to want to go to war to make those kind of bonds.
There aren’t too many situations where you get thrown into that you have to instantly trust the people around you and protect people you don’t know.
Honestly, I think I could mentally handle being away from everyone I know and everything I love to do the same boring thing, day after day, it’s the boot camp that would do me in.

]]> Comment on Title Deserved by Brian http://zod1703.edublogs.org/2008/03/14/title-deserved/comment-page-1/#comment-8 Brian Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:16:01 +0000 http://zod1703.edublogs.org/2008/03/14/title-deserved/#comment-8 Ahh... very thoughtful. I never thought about the names in Slaughterhouse Five in that way, but it does make sense. Although I wonder how the historical figures really got their names. I mean, was Ivan the Terrible called that while he was alive? I would think that with a name like that, nobody would dare speak it in front of him. Maybe everybody should have names like these. We would know exactly what we have coming when we vote for somebody. I think that if the presidential candidates in 2000 had been called Bush the Belligerent and Gore the Great, the results would have been much different. I realized when reading Slaughterhouse Five that the names were a bit ridiculous at times, but I never put much thought into it. Joseph Heller, a friend of Vonnegut's, wrote "Catch-22" and used absurd names as well. There was Major Major Major Major, Lieutenant Scheisskopf (if you know any German, its funny), Milo Minderbinder, and my personal favorite, Major —— de Coverley, who was so intimidating, no one dared ask his first name. Heller's work was published 8 years before Vonnegut's, which makes me wonder if Vonnegut used Heller's concept. Kudos for catching this though! Ahh… very thoughtful. I never thought about the names in Slaughterhouse Five in that way, but it does make sense. Although I wonder how the historical figures really got their names. I mean, was Ivan the Terrible called that while he was alive? I would think that with a name like that, nobody would dare speak it in front of him.
Maybe everybody should have names like these. We would know exactly what we have coming when we vote for somebody. I think that if the presidential candidates in 2000 had been called Bush the Belligerent and Gore the Great, the results would have been much different.
I realized when reading Slaughterhouse Five that the names were a bit ridiculous at times, but I never put much thought into it. Joseph Heller, a friend of Vonnegut’s, wrote “Catch-22″ and used absurd names as well. There was Major Major Major Major, Lieutenant Scheisskopf (if you know any German, its funny), Milo Minderbinder, and my personal favorite, Major —— de Coverley, who was so intimidating, no one dared ask his first name. Heller’s work was published 8 years before Vonnegut’s, which makes me wonder if Vonnegut used Heller’s concept. Kudos for catching this though!

]]> Comment on WAR BONDS by Lupe http://zod1703.edublogs.org/2008/04/12/war-bonds/comment-page-1/#comment-7 Lupe Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:17:40 +0000 http://zod1703.edublogs.org/2008/04/12/war-bonds/#comment-7 I like your observation that their is a bond formed with every aspect of war. I had to think about this because I realized that it is true but one of those ideas that is natural, the kind you don't have to think about. The obvious bond is that of the comrades. The not so obvious one is that of the one with the country. There are always good people stuck in the middle of conflict and their is always innocence disrupted. Whether through acclimation or actual fondness I grew to like the countryside of Iraq. I knew it pretty well and came to know the people rather well. It was a strange relationship but it resembled home in some cases. When on patrol their was a house we used to pass where an elderly woman lived. She liked us because having us so close kept her home safe so every time we walked, excuse me, patrolled by she would give us fresh hoobas. It's an incredibly good Iraqi bread and a better alternative to MRE's. You get to know the land and what is safe. When we left I was a bit surprised to feel a bit disappointed. The bond that is formed then does extend to more than comrades but it's through them that one can relive it. It is very much an O'Brien experience. I like your observation that their is a bond formed with every aspect of war. I had to think about this because I realized that it is true but one of those ideas that is natural, the kind you don’t have to think about. The obvious bond is that of the comrades. The not so obvious one is that of the one with the country. There are always good people stuck in the middle of conflict and their is always innocence disrupted. Whether through acclimation or actual fondness I grew to like the countryside of Iraq. I knew it pretty well and came to know the people rather well. It was a strange relationship but it resembled home in some cases. When on patrol their was a house we used to pass where an elderly woman lived. She liked us because having us so close kept her home safe so every time we walked, excuse me, patrolled by she would give us fresh hoobas. It’s an incredibly good Iraqi bread and a better alternative to MRE’s. You get to know the land and what is safe. When we left I was a bit surprised to feel a bit disappointed. The bond that is formed then does extend to more than comrades but it’s through them that one can relive it. It is very much an O’Brien experience.

]]> Comment on True Cost or Story Cost of Victory! by True Cost or Story Cost of Victory! | http://zod1703.edublogs.org/2008/04/13/true-cost-or-story-cost-of-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-6 True Cost or Story Cost of Victory! | Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:14:46 +0000 http://zod1703.edublogs.org/2008/04/13/true-cost-or-story-cost-of-victory/#comment-6 [...] See the rest here: True Cost or Story Cost of Victory! [...] [...] See the rest here: True Cost or Story Cost of Victory! [...]

]]> Comment on Thought(ful)Out Rant! by War In Iraq » Thought(ful)Out Rant! http://zod1703.edublogs.org/2008/04/04/thoughtfulout-rant/comment-page-1/#comment-5 War In Iraq » Thought(ful)Out Rant! Fri, 04 Apr 2008 23:42:09 +0000 http://zod1703.edublogs.org/2008/04/04/thoughtfulout-rant/#comment-5 [...] zod1703 wrote an interesting post today on Thought(ful)Out Rant!Here’s a quick excerptWhat does make me ill is they have lost sight of what is really at stake in the War on Terror. The fact is they are protesting the wrong thing most of the protest that I have seen have been for us to stop the war in Iraq! … [...] [...] zod1703 wrote an interesting post today on Thought(ful)Out Rant!Here’s a quick excerptWhat does make me ill is they have lost sight of what is really at stake in the War on Terror. The fact is they are protesting the wrong thing most of the protest that I have seen have been for us to stop the war in Iraq! … [...]

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